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3 (3:35 p.m.) 4 JUDGE TUNHEIM: The board is now going to 5 come back into session. We have an additional witness 6 on the question of the Zapruder camera-original film 7 that we would like to hear from now, Debra Conway. Ms. 8 Conway? 9 MS. CONWAY: For those of you who have not 10 met me, I am Debra Conway. I came all the way from Los 11 Angeles to be with you today. I want to thank all the 12 the board members, David Marwell and all of the 13 distinguished speakers that came before me today. 14 I would like to take this opportunity to 15 speak on behalf ot the active JFK assassination 16 research community. I have no personal agenda other 17 than to show support of the board's past efforts and to 18 applaud your decision to address the status of the 19 Zapruder film. However, I would like to bring to your 20 attention additional actions that the board should take 21 related to the matter at hand. And let me explain. 22 Recently the Zapruder film was the subject of 110 1 what I would consider a major workshop and symposium at 2 the JFK Lancer Conference held in Dallas in November of 3 '96. Though important new research and questions on 4 the film were presented, we were severely hindered by 5 the lack of access to a verified copy of the original 6 film, studies of the original film, a control film 7 taken with the original camera, the camera itself, and 8 the first section of film not taken at Dealey Plaza. 9 I have with me for the board today copies of 10 that Zapruder film symposium from the conference which 11 will include different information on the different 12 versions of the film. 13 Many photographic materials of evidence in 14 the murder case are kept under less than satisfactory 15 conditions in various locations. Neither the private 16 owners (one who has kept her film in a locked box while 17 aupposedly trying to sell it for the last 33 years), 18 not the government (who has always protected -- not 19 always protected the photographs and films from being 20 damaged) and not even the research community, some of 21 whom seem to have problems being collectors -- none 22 have been the best of caretakers up to now. 111 1 Action that I feel the board could take: The 2 decision you make on the Zapruder film's status as it 3 falls under the language and spirit of the JFK Act must 4 also effect other photographs and films of 5 assassination related events. I ask you to be bold and 6 to use the JFK Act to collect and protect the original 7 of these items. Lock boxes and shoe boxes are not 8 acceptable repositories. Saving a piece of film for 9 years until the value raises and lawsuits over who owns 10 what have brought research on the Zapruder film and 11 these other pieces of photography and films to a halt. 12 The value of scholars' and researchers' 13 access to these items must be placed above those of 14 private owners, private collectors or museums. Let the 15 owners continue their collection of fees for use of 16 films or photos and even maintain ownership, 17 copyrights, be compensated. However, you must insist 18 that the originals of these most important films and 19 photographs be properly housed in the government 20 archives and never allowed to be sold. While I am a 21 firm believer in the American free enterprise system 22 and the rights of property holders, these must be 112 1 exceptions. The issue of ownership, copyrights and 2 "show me the money," secondary to the need to assign 3 these materials permanent protection as JFK 4 assassination documents. 5 Thank you. 6 JUDGE TUNHEIM: Thank you Ms. Conway. Are 7 there questions, members of the board? 8 MS. NELSON: Assuming we have to pay for it, 9 the film, we being the American taxpayers, I will ask 10 you the question I have asked others: Where do you 11 stop, what is the ceiling? Is it of such value that we 12 don't set a ceiling? 13 MS. CONWAY: That is a question I have asked 14 myself the last few days that I have been here. In 15 fact, I must have rewritten my statement to you four or 16 five times because I thought it is priceless to me as a 17 researcher. However, as a citizen, I don't feel that 18 we should be held ransom by the Zapruder family. And I 19 am afraid -- as soon as you announce price controls, 20 that is what the price goes up to. I can remember the 21 Nixon Presidency very clearly on that matter. 22 I think that someone here today made a great 113 1 point in the audience, and that was that after the 2 Jackie Onassis auction we should be very fearful of 3 what a collector would offer the Zapruder family for 4 this film. We should be very fearful of what someone 5 would be willing to pay just for the copyrights. I 6 think it is two separate issues, the ownership and the 7 copyright. I agree with the speakers before me who 8 said the family should donate the film. I think they 9 have made enough money. But I know that is not 10 answering your question. I would advise you to -- 11 MS. NELSON: There is no answer -- 12 MS. CONWAY: Do research on what they have 13 been paid. Once you make that public, maybe they 14 should be shamed into donating it. Maybe you need to 15 use the President and the public to help you with that. 16 MS. NELSON: It is, of course, their private 17 property, in their view. I was just curious -- I 18 didn't expect a monetary answer because that is an 19 issue that we have to consider as board members, but 20 also as taxpayers, as responsible members to the 21 Congress, especially in this current era, of what our 22 decision is. 114 1 MS. CONWAY: I was aware that compensation 2 was a factor. Looking at the Nixon papers, I was 3 unaware that compensation was a part of that Act. I 4 wish I had known that before. I would continue to look 5 into any other -- the same as you have attorneys doing, 6 any time that compensation became a factor. Again, I 7 would research what the film was worth in the past and 8 get several appraisers to come in and assist you, which 9 I am sure you are going to do. But I don't think the 10 American people or the citizen of the world should be 11 held hostage by this family's right to something that 12 may already belong to us and should belong to us. Be 13 bold. 14 MR. GRAFF: I just would like to say as a 15 fellow researcher, I share your passion about the 16 documents and records and so on. Are you working on a 17 particular aspect of the assassination yourself? 18 MS. CONWAY: I do help the authors and 19 researchers and on the side, my favorite, the spy 20 world, I love to read about Mexico City and what was 21 going on with the CIA. But I see myself more as a 22 facilitator to keep the dialogue going. It doesn't 115 1 bother me that there is debate and disagreement and 2 discussion. I encourage that. 3 MS. NELSON: We have been very bold on Mexico 4 City. You have a lot of new documents. 5 MS. CONWAY: I am very happy. 6 JUDGE TUNHEIM: Thank you. We appreciate you 7 coming all this way.